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Okay here it is, As you all know Edward departed Europa and went back to Great Lakes. Reasons being was because of all the stress he was having from all the gripping and bickering in and about the Goblin. I took it over as none else was around to take it and he trusted me enough to take it and keep the Land Mark Tavern running.

After I took the Goblin over from day one I started having folks tell me what a crappy job I did on the Goblin when I did nothing to the Design and finally had enough of the crap and made changes to it my self. I figured I would give it the old grief look as it looked once before but not totally like it as I no longer have his design. Some of my changes includes a Entertainment floor with a Stage so we can get Willyfist to come play at the Goblin ir other entertainment events, and a Lounge for sitting and relaxing.

Seem not matter what Me, Scarlet and Keiran do can make everyone at the same time happy. The new design of the Goblin will be staying and the Goblin will not be an Inn. For those needing a room there are the new Dorms South of the Cove town Gates, and soon New Dorms with a Shop by the Barracks.

So please keep the complaints down and bare with me as I am trying here and it is not being easy for me as I am quite stressed over it all and thats a bad thing for me. For if any one know anything about Diabetics, stress is hard on them and  am trying to fight my blood sugar as it is and been in the hospital twice now because of it.

Thank you and any insight and helpfull hints are welcome on how to make the Goblin as good as it once was

Good job, kal. Keep up the good work. I commend you. Let's all remember that this is Kal's lot now and he is free to design it the way he wants. Even if you don't like it, let's support him as he is keeping the goblin alive and running.

I'd be willing to give you a few pointers from what I have seen so far, it is not a bad design.. The tile could use some work though *nods*

Also, I did consult with Edward before Kal on taking over the Goblin for him, but he wanted to lend me his two plots in Altmere..

I actually love it. 

This means a lot coming from an avid change hater


It's awesome because it actually looks like a tavern now. The spilled flower and all the deco in the kitchen is great and the woodtable/barrel/stool combo's are perfect. The big outdoor area allows the inside to be cozy with proper deco. Upper floors are awesomesauce. <3 bear rugs.

Dont forget memorial square has rooms! Could role-play the rooms there as part of the goblin establishment? Who knows.

Glad someone has put the boot down.  GL to ya Kal!

-MK

You have my support with the Goblin. I appreciate the fact alone that you were willing to take the responsibility of even attempting to make it into something. We all need to remember that Kal is only trying to help the rest of you here.

If anyone has any criticism, please give it constructively with a reason as to how he could perhaps improve it. I think it looks pretty neat now with the furniture in it and all the seasonal deco.

The main challenge is running the events to keep it going. I'll help out as much as I can. Good luck guys!

-Rach/Kelly

Well Kal, as you can see its not as easy as everyone thought.  Sorry your having issues with your health because of it.  Wish you the best of luck.

*signed*

Edward Striker

I can't believe people would moan about the design of the tavern... oh well good luck and I am sorry to see Edward leave. Remember guys, its just pixels!

Suzy has a room at the Square (Though the storage box I had there is now gone...she paid her rent!!) Hoagie rents the one down stairs. There is one unrented room left.

Yes there have been some issues with the Goblin. There always has been. Its why Ed stepped down. I stepped back for my own personal reasons. ( because I'm part of a HUGE RL event and havent had very much time to play really...and I have been on ICQ as well as checking in here) I came back after being gone a couple weeks to play for a couple hours and WHABAM Changes galore.

Those of us who have been running the place since last May were left COMPLETELY out of the loop, and the person who was left as manager in charge in my place was not consulted either about changes. That's why some of us got  our panties in a bunch. I talked to Kal. I gave constructive criticism. Im already over it. The design is growing on me. Had a good long chat with Kal, who really is trying his best to make everyone happy. Time to move on and let others who have fantastic ideas run with em I say! Go Team Goblin!*gets out pom poms*

The changes made are not in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM WHY IVE STEPPED DOWN. I want that to be clear. And Kal sweetie. Try as you might, you cant make everyone happy all at once. You really do try, but its time for you to do what makes YOU happy and have fun.

I wholeheartedly agree staff there needs to be supported. Scarlet tried to run an event last friday, and not one person showed up besides Suzy who came to serve drinks so she would be free to run her event. ( I had an unexpected day off WOOT) With that said, Civillian events seem to have very little support. It was that way when Sapphie tried to run them too at the beginning of the semester.  Perhaps its that 80% or so of our players are in college exams soon and are studying now. Perhaps its holiday shopping. Who knows...

I think everyone needs to stop judging one another and get on with playing. Im glad you like the place Delf. Van told me he loves it too. I do miss having an inn in Cove for travelers to stay at, but thats totally the choice of the people running the place. I couldn't take it because I can't afford another account. Its an awesome design for holding events. I think they will do fine so long as we give em the support they need.

I love the design Kal.. don't change it:) its really grown on me.

Deco took a long time, and a few temper tantrums (from me ofc) later its finally finished. Err excuse the mess was from my event which never took place.

hehe Scarl. I so know what you mean. When that one thing just wont sit where you want, or the darn chair wont turn...and you know that you have a freakin interior deco tool somewhere under ten billion items that are in your pack...

I will be around much more to help if needed around Christmas eve.

I came to the event btw! I even wore a hat.

I love the deco too :)

Thank you guys and Gals, as it was stated I am trying to make all better here and it does make me feel better knowing that the new design is being liked.

The Stage is not only for the Goblin use, but for all who wish to plan something that would involve the stage like,....Inviting WillyFist to come play, Story telling, or even one singing. The possibilities go on and on, so feel free if you want to use the Entertainment Floor for an event, The Goblin will support the event with food and drinks. Depending on the numbers showing all may be free to half price on the food or drinks

I promice as soon as Dickens Fair is over and I actually catch up on sleep to help thunk up ideas for events and run some.

Courtesy and Pre-Planning

The only thing concerning me about the Goblin is this lack of actual barstaff now. I do think more communication should have taken place with this. Even I was just told "We are doing this" with a sort of lack of detail so to speak. I can see why folk did get a little aggravated, as their entire priority was the Tavern, and they log on to see three entirely new figures "tampering" with it. Nomatter what the outcome (positive or negative), people need to remember to respect others within the guild.

Railen and Mizuho spent a long time doing things for that tavern, and this needs to be kept in mind. When something raises so much concern and makes two members feel they need to leave, we cannot ignore that there must be a problem somewhere down the line on the do-ers part. This is not saying that you three have done the wrong thing, but I must say you need to communicate with others who are involved a bit more before just diving in head first and going full steam ahead. That way, no-one will complain as you've proposed it prior to doing it. This is just a thing to consider in the future, because such massive changes really do need to be made clear to everyone before they take place.

I've told you I like the place, I really do. That doesn't change the fact it could have been communicated a lot more to others before carrying out the re-vamp.

In contrast, if members are ever concerned about something they see being done, then speak up. Don't wait until its actually done (if possible) to stand up and decide you disagree. Chances are by then nothing can be done to help your concerns.

Context
In future re-builds, a recollection of building of plots would be ideal. We do this for most major buildings, yet the Goblin was just done. That was it. What was the reason for those particular three building it? What inspired them to do it? What is Kieran's attachment to the building? These questions and more need to be considered perhaps before building for the sake of building.

Guardsmen Characters

I admit this looks a bit shabby to walk into the tavern and see any guardsmen serving drinks at the tavern. Their job if any should be doing guardsman duties. If guardsmen feel they desperately want to serve drinks to folk, players should seriously consider changing their titles to a Citizen one. Also let me clarify being off-duty includes this too. If you're off-duty you drink the drinks, not serve them surely?

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There's just some constructive criticism for folk to consider. This doesn't just refer to the three who built the place, but it's also for any members of the Baronship who encounter a situation like this in the future.

Yet again good luck pushing it forward. I will support in any way I can.

-Rach/Kelly

I disagree. I would have thought it's perfectly okay for someone to roleplay their guard however they want? It could be seen as a part time job for extra money, or their bit of community service. I can't see any reason why a guard can't do some functions the citizenry do.

Surely they should be spending any of their "free time" (in which they also want to work) defending Cove? I know that Kelly would disagree with any of the Guardsmen tending a bar instead of doing their real job.

I don't think Kelly's trying to tell people how to roleplay their guardsmen. However you also have to appreciate that the Covian army has been professional for about three and a half years now and is no longer a militia where guardsman are going to have plenty of off duty time on their hands.

I think it's pretty much common sense that full time barstaff will be required with the Green Goblin actually being a self sustaining business and due to the fact that guardsmen can't run the bar while they're off on patrol or on duty elsewhere.

One of the reasons the Goblin has been such a great success and quite possibly been the best and certainly most active tavern on the entire shard this year is the fact that it had a dedicated team of staff, which was active and who's primary purpose was to run the tavern.

That's something that is going to be hard to achieve by using off duty guardsmen and even alternative bar staff characters alone.

I also agree with Kelly that in IC terms if a guardsman has been slogging his guts out from 6 in the morning to 10 at night he probably wants to do the drinking rather than the serving in the vast majority of cases.

The lay out and decor is pretty neat and I hope that we can get the place running smoothly once again.

I agree with both Kelly and Raiden and I am going to speak up about it as it has me cringing and I need to get it off my chest... I don't really like the new goblin design, I admit it, no offense to anyone.. The roof looks too small, and just doesn't stand out, present it first before changing any of the major plots we use when roleplaying..the same tile was used on each floor, should try to fluff it out a bit.. I also agree with a guardsmen should not be serving drinks or running a tavern, it has been causing IC problems for my character as well, I have not been as active in BoC because of it, and I was actually visiting other taverns rather than the Goblin.. It just, didn't feel right.. The Goblin staff went through major changes with a major new design just right out of the blue, it happened quickly, without any plot or story behind it.. To me, it was bad roleplaying.. What I would have done is made a new character, and it would have been the Barons job as it is his land, and he would have had selected the new Goblin owner(the character that the new owner makes.) Then something would have had to happen to the goblin which would have given it a new design..

Usually I get on test center and come up with a design and present it first before making any major changes to any of the major plots used for RP.

We also need events for the tavern.. Edward was always in contact with other tavern owners and trading companies, he was always inviting them to the goblin and having special nights, should perhaps get OOC contact with other tavern owners if you don't know who they are, get to know them OOC and IC, set up competitions events between all the taverns across the shard, get it active..

If one of my characters walks into a empty tavern, to find nothing, I am going to leave and move onto the Rose, or w/e else there is. This is why I also suggest bringing back a NPC, I know that Kal does not want to. But I think it would be a good idea, to keep people from going to other taverns when noone is on to serve them.. We want to keep Covians inside a Covian tavern.. One of the main reasons as far as I know, why there was a NPC before, was because Cove has no offical NPC tavern, Vesper, Minoc, Skara Brae, Britain, Trinsic and other towns have built in pubs as it is.. So if there is noone ever in Vesper, there is a pub not that far away..

Like I said though, it is a suggestion that should be considered and not thrown off the table.

I know that when people put time into something and then people don't like it, it feels like a personal attack. I understand Ravens, Kellys, Raiden's and Jassi's points.

I thought that before a tavern was changed a plto would be created, such as a fire or flood. Then the community band together and collect resources to rebuild it, just like we did with the forge and loom. Anyway is too late for this. If people are unhappy with the design should they be posting here, or speaking to Kal or asking command. Do all the tavern, church, barracks designs etc controlled by the actual person who owns the plot or is it a community decision?

As a community perhaps we could decide on some things for the Goblin, design and suggestions etc and then make a poll?

If we did this it would keep the peace and everyone happy?

At this present time my only issue of the Goblin was lack of seating downstairs but I haven't been in for a few days so maybe its changed. Out of all the tavern designs I've seen nothing beat the Swaggers and then the tavern in Spiritwood.

I feel that a tavern should have a VERY big bar area, Swaggers currently has the biggest bar area on the shard as far as I am aware of and they have the most seating..

Trinsic have a large seating area too. Its all about the little quirky bits laying around that give any house a warm-living feeling.

For one we are not Swaggers or Trinsic, We are cove.