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I'm just wondering why guard can attack Cove directly but we can't attack Yew.  Do they have a direct passage to attack Cove?  It's just last time I checked we beat them close to Yew then they beat us and now all of the sudden they're attacking us directly?

It's not a complaint I just want to know what's going on with the war right now.

Yeh, Thats a good question...

We Want Our Rights To Attack Yew!

Attacks on Cove and vica versa are only allowed when arranged.

Piffle

But the Yew attacks on Cove for the most part have not been arranged. They've just turned up to the barracks in force several days in a row, ganking anyone in sight. The large battle yesterday was the first one that's been arranged as far as I know.

Battles are always arranged OOC, they're not necassarily always arranged IC. If they're not arranged, then its a breach of CoRE rules, but its highly unlikely GRD (a professional guild) would break any rules.

For me that's a good thing, would you want to always know when things were going to happen? Of course you wouldn't it would take all the surprise out of the game.

To add to the arrangment of battles, it was probably an Officer who arranged these attacks from GRD without telling you guys to make your gaming more fun, so you should thank the fact that you got whooped without knowing coz it made it a hell of alot more fun!

Grd don't follow CoRE RoE.

They do when rping with guild that has CoRE rules.

It's one of those (plenty) examples where you have to do something because it's the right thing, and not because someone else does otherwise.

Large scale battles are organised on an OOC level because it's the sensible thing to do. Sometimes that 'arrangement' doesn't get said as such on our end and sometimes things are not properly communicated or forgotten. That doesn't justify 'reprimanding' with the same thing.

Treat people the way you would like to be treated in cases like this.

Whilst i agree that an attack we don't know about that has been arranged by an officer is a lot more spontaneous fun the only problem i have is this , THEY know about if well enough in advance to turn up in force and gank us cos no one is around thinking nothing is happening.  Perhaps set some other event going at that time to get people there without knowing the true reason would make for a more even battle meaning more fun for all?  Just a suggestion

Actually no one in grd knew until like 5min after all the covians had arrived. Except who ever arranged it of course. The one leading it from grds side had an event to turn people out before the battle, allthough most people left lol

My complaint is logging in to UO making my way to the barracks to see if anything is happening, only to run into a force of ten Grd outside the barracks who attempt to gank me on sight (though luckily I managed to loose them after a bit of a jog). I suppose if a battle had been arranged then they would probably have assumed me as part of the defending force, though unlikely due to me being unarmed and just walking happily up to the barracks. Not much can be done at the end of the day I suppose.

RP wise however if grd are attacking Cove directly then we should have at least 20 minutes warning as scouts and possibly civilians would report the incoming force from a long way off. just a thought.

Sorry John, you're wrong. We don't follow the CoRE RoE under any circumstances, so we don't actually need to give any warning before a battle. That said, every attack on Cove that I was involved with was with the permission of your leaders. I can't really recall any incidents that were otherwise.

It's very easy to take the moral high-ground for your guild and accuse us of being in the wrong, and it would be easy enough for me to do the same, claiming you all suck. Truth is however, mistakes are always made on both sides of the fence. You guys fuck up, and so do we.

What matters is that at the end of the day we need to respect one another, because neither of us is faultless. Slagging us off won't foster a good reputation, it will just cause things to slide toward bitterness OOC.

Rgds, Klion
Europas hottest GM!

Hiho!!
This discussion leads to a dead end. Take it as a professional: war is hell, there is no forwarning - at least sometimes... and the stuff with scouts and shouting villagers works as long as no magic is involved. Unfortunately some of us have to ability to open gates to almost all places of this more (Cove) or less (Yew/ Trinsic) world, so don´t fight the problem.
And the thing with the numeral superiority? Well, if we stop to fight uncoordinated when outnumbered, our chances are better. And who forces us to stay and fight? Why not delay, call for reinforcements? Astonishingly lots of people suddenly become online when a battle starts :c). Of course it is frustrating arriving at the barracks and being hunted by superior numbers. But that´s UO life :c)
*walks away whistling and enjoying RL*

Back in the days of real, There was never any warnings of up coming battles. The Kings would send out his forces for the soul purpose to defeat the enemy just to put another knotch on his wall or what ever he kept count on.

Besides this is just a game, You really don't die you get rezzed where back in the day no one was able to rezz.
I agree, After the battles are said and done Respect Your Fellow Gamer.  KEEP THE OOC PEACE

If we loose the respect for each other the RP world would go to shit. I haven't been on Europa nearly as long as some of you, But I have the up-most respect for everyone in the Rp world and out of the RP world.

So please keep the Respect going, Like it was said several Thousand times YOU WIN SOME AND YOU BLOODIE WELL WILL LOOSE SOME, Lick your wounds and get ready for the next event

I agree strongly with Kal.

You win some you lose some (although it would be nice to win some now and again  ;))

I guess it is impractical and unrealistic to be forwarned all the time about attacks - although maybe unarmed guardsman on the way to the barracks etc. could be challenged by attackers before being attacked. After all it is the age of chivalry ;).

But that aside we ALL need good relations OOC otherwise I guess our RP world just doesn't work.

Anyone hating people on other guilds ooc are retarded tbh. Just because of them being at war or being in another guild. Silly thing.

I don't think anyone is 'hating' on anybody ooc, I think we're just debating sensibly how to maximise the amount of fun we can have with the interaction with other guilds which is a good thing I would think :)

This turned into something else, none of you answered my second question.  What is our position in the war?  That's all I want too know right now.

If it is an ANSWER you want, an answer you shall have.

Being a RP'ing guild amongst the world of Europa and knowing how many RP'ing guilds that are out there we are allways at war with one or maybe two,All depends.

The current status of the war:

The frontier is currently somewhere in between the guardpost where we lost the last battle and the next bridge (heading east).

LB currently claims and holds Minoc so we may need to move on them to focus our efforts on the frontier again.

Given the frontier is in nomans land any raids against Stonekeep or Cove have to be sanctionned by Command. The simple reason being if the frontier is set there it makes little sence to strike beyond it without moving the frontier. Only 'raids' could succeed in breaking the frontier.



That is.....On an OOC level all you need to remember is that
1) Ask a command member to notify Grd/LB of a pending raid (You must have a valid RP reason to go there)
2) If Grd/LB shows up on our doorstep and you personally were not told, RP it out. It happens, RP it as a raid. Sometimes there's a problem in communication, sometimes BoC Command chose not to inform you of an incomming raid and sometimes BoC command screws up and forgets to tell you. Bottom line, RP it out :)