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What would you say is the best RPvRP template?  I'm tempted to say:

Swordsmanship
Anatomy
Tactics
Parry
Healing
Poisoning (Since AoS, you can poison at least one swordsmanship weapon)
Focus
Tactics
(all GM)

Or

Fencing
Anatomy
Poisoning (Though it's frigging annoying when you meet people who've used orange petals)
Healing
Meditation (special moves fast, and everyone uses refresh pots!)
Tactics
Ninjitsu (possibly not RP enough for me... So swap for resist spells)

Not given much of a thought to macing or archery, as it's ages since I really PvP'ed with it. I'm used to pre-AoS macing, so no idea how good it is.

Swordmanship and lumberjacking. Nothing else matters!

Aye, that's true. But it was much more fun with the half-life hits!

Archery and chiv is mighty powerful

I think it's silly. People seem to care more about what they fit into their template rather then how it would suit their character.
I got 120 strength; not because it's better then 110 strenght in PVP (Because it isn't) but because it suits my character in so many levels.

Chavalry is for the weak. Keep your fake burberry scarves and track suites to yourself, I say!

Hmm on STATS I remeber I had an OLD RP character who was supposed ot be weak.. well their STR was only high enough to aloow leather and I never raised it lol. Like 2 hit killed with a regular weapon lol

No such thing as the 'best' template.  Template A may be able to beat Template B, but lose horribly to Template C.  A generic swords template with 4 or 5x120 skills may have a big advantage over a fancy template with nothing over GM.  

Whilst skills make a difference, it means nothing without knowing how to play the advantages.  Armour makes a difference too as do pots/petals etc.  The weapons selected and the special moves used... being able to change weapon at the correct time and activate the next best special.  Keeping the heals coming.  Being able to adapt to unexpected moves by an opponent.

Stats too.  A pure warrior with the minimum intel against a pure warrior sacrificing hp for mana, in the hopes of winning quickly by spamming a couple of hefty specials.  Could work or both specials could get parried...  

Really just pick whatever suits your character and learn how to play it.  I wanted to play Garak as a sneaky elf so I complimented his hiding with stealth.  I could make him even more powerful as a Scout by picking up Ninjitsu (for smoke bombs and deathstrike via his wrestle) or make him a pure non-scout mage by picking up Focus and Healing.  I could then drop wrestle for anatomy, sacrificing special moves for boosted healing (100 anat + 100 eval int = same evasion as 100 wrestle, but no disruption or specials).  Or I could keep the wrestle and drop scribe, thus still being able to have powerful bandy heals and special moves but suffer a *slight* damage mod and extra penalties with spells such as Protection.

Swings and Roundabouts really.  If you've not much gold and/or time to spend developing a char then there's not much point planning some uber powerscrolled char.  If I was going for a beserker axeman-type, I'd maybe go 110 Swords/Lumber/110 Tactics/Anat/Heal/Focus/Resist.  If I decide not to go 100 Resist maybe increase the Swords/Tactics even higher or put some extra into Healing.  100 HP, 100 Dex and boos the Int with whatever stat scroll I could afford.  Nothing fancy, fits the character, and is a good solid bruiser.  

Swords And Lumberjacking for me.
Use high tactics for HCI with very high dex and strength. Mana doesn't count AS much because you're good with lumberjacking without even having to use the specials.

Or fencing with poisoning is good to....Or even better is swords with poisoning (Use a dammed cleaver), With a cleaver, you get Bleed attack AND poison!!!!

I've got a char with this:

110 fencing
100 anatomy
100 tactics
100 healing
80 meditation
80 stealth
80 hiding
70 poisoning

I've found the template wanting. First, all those I attack seem to have orange petals [insert random abuse], which I think is the worst thing that's ever happened to UO. Secondary, a lot people have parrying. Which always seems to parry my attacks. Thirdly, you cannot hit a barn door with fencing.

The pros is meditiation. The amount of special attacks you dish out is just silly! Stamina regeneration isn't much of a problem either, as I carry several crates full of refresh potions. Another good thing is invisibility potions. If I end up with a superior enemy, I drink one and poof! I'm gone!

Use swords, not fencing.
Switch to a cleaver, If they have orange petals you can still use Bleed attack.

The best tamplat is

100 stealing
100 snooping
100 wrestliing
90 hideing
80 stealth

What you do is: Disarm, steal weapon , inviseblity potion, stealth away, and laugh!

unless the fella's insured the weapon

or the limey bloke carries a spare... or 2 or jsut happens to be a kick arse bad guy....

I carry 4 regular weapons and three backup ;)

Chivalry/Warrior Template

120 Mace Fighting
120 Focus
110 Tactics
110 Parry
100 Anatomy
100 Healing
50 Chivalry

100 Strength
100 Dexterity
55 Int

Great Warrior template that allows you to get a four hit kill on mostly all veteran chars.  Mana comes back fast as lightning, and you have plenty to spend.  If you have ML you can wreck any veteran players morale by giving them a nice 60-70 dmg in two hits.  All you really need is the money, and armor too be a godly char.

Yeah, Delc has something like...ten weapons at all times. Pretty paranoid I guess ;)

I'm currently gonna convert Delc to be a Melee Crossbowman.

Elder Swords
Elder Parry
GM Archery
GM Tactics
GM Anatomy
GM Healing
Master Focus

100 Strength
100 Dex
35 Int

Very versatile, with the nasty surprise of being very proficient in Close-quarters. Just Bleed, Mortal and Concuss and they're down in no time.

...You mean carrying lots of weapons isnt normal?  :o

(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/87/weaponsvt2.png)

Do i have issues?...  ::)

On another note, it depends where you're coming from and what you're fighting.

For day to day use i just love dits template

Elder Swords
GM Tactics
GM Lumber
GM Focus
GM Parry
GM Anat
GM Healing

100 str
100 dex
45 int

If i was to upgrade it without the limitations of the Grd Copper System, i would have Legendary swords 100 str 100 dex and 55 int.

This template has the ability to Take and Deal damage, axes = ownage, and if im against multiple targets i can just shield up and use Longsword/Cutlass for combined Offensive and Defensive, Battleaxe Concussion absolutely Devestates Mages.

Also has the benefit of being an RP Template because Dit is and always has been a lumberjack.

If we're talking best "Template" that you are allowed in an RP Surrounding...

120 Swords
100 tactics
100 Anatomy
80 poisoning
100 necromancy
120 focus
100 healing

80 str
120 dex
55 int

Corpse Skin - Strangle - Lethal Poison - Bleed - Pain Spike - Concuss
(All in one template)
Pot to 140 dex for fastest possible heals, 120 focus+Lich form has insane Mana/Stam regen.

There is no "best" template.
It all depends on what skills/equipment your guild allows or is generally allowed in CoRE.

Within BoC I dare say I have the best template around on Kasei, but that is only because as a true samurai* he has the privilege of using bushido. Without bushido I'd say that a chiv/mace/parry template should be the top class in PVP.




* with being a true samurai I mean having spent 3 actual years in a samurai guild before switching to Cove (with a good IC motive).

Which brings up the topic: Is Chavalry really RP? I think it should be restriced to the Church, seen as paladins are holy warriors.

*pokes head in and raises hand* I second Khae's motion!

The way I see it Chivalry (in UO, where it's a magic casting skill) as a warrior's war crys to summon up spirit in the fight, and give more hope and energy in surronding people... In many Asian cultures people believe in Ki, or Chi (depending on where your from) also the transfer of Ki/Chi. If someone is excited and is yelling thier war cry, or what have you.. the Ki/Chi pools, and increases the Ki/Chi of surrounding people. On the other hand, Ki/Chi can be drained by in activity, and low spirit.

Same with Chivalry IG, atleast, that's why Warriors can use it. =)

Locke, why do you use a spyglass in combat? :D

I partially agree, but if the reason for allowing it is pure RP, then I can say my orc's style of fighting is berserk, so he uses bushido, since it's got lightning strike and confidence.

There's a lot of better skills for RP combat, IMO, that also helps you in combat to a bigger or lesser degree. Two fighting skills (I've got a swords/fencer!) e.g. archery and swords, lumberjacking, parry, hiding/stealth, detect hidden, tracking, wrestling, poisoning, alchemy etc.

I can honestly say that I have never trained chivalry on any char... ever!
I just dislike the skill and the fact that everyone can use it and I ecspecially dislike it when people pick the skill in rppvp just to make them stronger. The skill should be banned I say!

(seriously, these days you cannot make a decent warrior without chivalry, it's about time they gave something back to the "true" warriors or add another skill so there would be more choices, perhaps even limit the use of chivalry a bit more by linking it so certain chivalrous actions)

Amen! I've trained one char with chivalry, for one purpose... Kill dragons with 60 archery.

Hmmm well  i have to say that, the warrior had their time in UO, then the mage, and well the mage/tamer happened and well.. the warrior has been behind for some time, i think thats why chiv happened honestly.

the game balances out again eventually, they just tend to add losts of stuff that benefits one type of character at certain times then balance again... then tip them same scales all over again!

Once upon a time, a fencer could be a mage as well... *Sniffles* I miss those time.

The mage is pretty good still...

magery, meditation, eval int, anatomy, resist spells, inscription, poison... =D

But chivalry and necromancy destroyed the precious balance. Suddenly you could kill dragons with ease at 60 archery... So they had to give the monster more health, mana and spells, which really only helped against the mêléers. Now, a bushido/pally archer kills monsters with ease. That's why some of the new monsters are just... meh.

Necro-Nox Mage,  GM necro, GM SS, gm or 90 magery, gm or 90 eval int, GM poison gm resist spells(lich form, 100 - 90% LRC, health regen of 5 or better, at 5 no loss of health as lich, at 6 get normal regenerative abilities abck, UO:ML Elf for extra mana and possible 75 energy resist)

This is of course NOT an RP template, it lacks resist spells and if you do 90 in magery and eval you can 110 or 120 necro or maybe 110 in necro and magery. I have one and hes kick arse sadly i do not have the resist spells.. and no armor. so he needs a human shield.

Snud and I are working on a character,

GM SS, magery, necro, poisoning, eval int, wrestling, meditation. Considering dropping wrestling for anatomy. The only thing it lacks is resist spells. With some luck, deadly poison should ruin anything the mages launch at us.

Why anat?  If you had healing then fair enough...

My necro is:

Magery Gm
Med GM
Eval int GM
Focus GM
Necro (70ish)
Wrestle (80ish)
Spirit speak (90ish)

I can't recommend Focus enough on a mage, especially in mage duels and group battles. 

Hmm both seem to be good ideas I should x-shard my necro!! then id ahve an OOC type character to play n Europa. Mu... Mu-ha... Mu-ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa!!!!!

Best assain template:

115 fencing
120 ninjistu
100 anat
100 healing
80 hiding
80 stealth
90 poison
 and 20 focus or more depending on age of account

Death strike, lethal poison and then just chase sooner of later they fall.

Anyhow why are you discussing PvP templates,?

No tactics? And what's all that ninjitsu for?

Khae, the lack of tactics is because all the damage comes from Bleed/Poison/Death Strike, tactics wouldn't change that damage at all. The High Ninjitsu is so Death Strike hit for 70 a hit :D

As for my spyglass, its the secret of my success, when im being chased ill place a house midfight, teleports me to the steps and blocks them  ;)

If you're human and have Mondain's Legacy then you get 20 of any skill anyway, giving you 20 points to boost another couple of skills, maybe GM that hiding

By far... the most unique way i ahve heard of running.. i think you just hit Legendary RLH with that idea dude! but um.. not strategically sound

*Slaps head* Obviously! Much like the house decorator!


I thought you got 30? And only from 0-30.

I personally don't care if chivalry is band.  I would open up my skills more and I can add more points to defense and damage.  let's see -50 Chivalry, +10 Parry 120, +20 Anatomy 120, +10 Tactics 120, +20 Healing 120.

So I'd just replace it with this.

120 Mace Fighting
120 Anatomy
120 Tactics
120 Parry
120 Healing
120 Focus

Hmm and I can still do 60-70 damage in a few hits and with using less mana.  So is it really that uneven?  I don't think the skill should be taken out, I mean maybe it should be restricted to the higher ranks?  That way you wouldn't see Recruits pwnzring Senior Guardsmen.  That's what I think.  Some skills shouldn't be removed just restricted to higher ranks and certain squads.  Like alchemy would be for the Grenadiers, Poison's for the Scouts, Chivalry's for The Dragoons, and The Regular Army is just normal soldiers. 

Restricted to the Church-friendly soldiers.

The Dragoons have a reason to use it, but that reason I can not say.  But Arcanics are a big part of The Dragoons.