(RTR) Army Discipline

[Celuvian]

           I feel as if this is being forced down our throat before even being addressed. A lot of us had no idea anyone was having an issue with it.

Yea..*scratches head*

The fact this was posted on the OOC boards and not the IC boards means you are targetting players and not their characters and telling people how you want them to roleplay their characters.

Thats kinda how I felt too..

[Marcus Kobra]

Nail on the head Darek. And Nightchill's correct, discipline has waned, respect has waned, and well so too has the fun. Its no fun for me when the military setting is ruined by the crap the army does put up with and the fact that proper punishments don't get carried out. We have "the Covian Book of Law" perhaps we should all use IT instead of random beatings and punishments from now on? My two cents.

Thanks,

Marcus Koba

[Celuvian]

It is a military setting and I do remember it being much more strict IC a couple years back. I liked that alot, I'll certainly welcome it again. But it has deteriorated over a long period of time if its as bad as it sounds now (I havent been much ingame lately so kinda unaware) but it shouldnt turn so very strict so suddenly imo. People might need to adjust again.

*shrug*

[Linaeus]

Discipline should be tight when the situation calls for it, such as during a patrol, sentry, skirmish, battle, law enforcement action, in the presence of the Baron or Commander or Churchmen, and when we go abroad. In other words, if its official military business, behave as such.

Fun and Relaxation should be had when nothing important is going on, such as when you're relaxing in a tavern or winding down after a hunt. However, if you're relaxing in the tavern thats no excuse to ignore an order or give a superior a hard time. Keep yourselves under control, and keep in mind that for some people playing a strictly disciplined soldier is fun, and that having the other soldiers running amok impedes on that fun.

The cardinal rule here is show some respect, for yourself and others.

That is all.

[Miles Steadfast]

Raven: If your character's personality is ditzy, and a bit of a disobidient person, then the character should be punished (IMO). If you have a problem with it OOC, you should not forget that the punishment is IC, and that your character can learn its lesson.

[Raven]

I wouldn't say i chose to be a guard. I chose to be in a guild with great people like boc. With the possibility for pvp and the grenadiers is the only progression in the system, i wasn't aware that the grenadiers were modelled on your ideals.

[Raiden Morana]

I don't think this thread has been at anyone or any group of people in particular and as been mentioned it is probably the culmination of the slow relaxtion of discipline over time.

That said, players roleplaying guardsmen have a code of conduct to abide by and a chain of command to follow, so on and so forth. If discipline is breached characters will be punished. If your style of RP makes you a sloppy guardsman then you'll no doubt pay the price.

However when off duty, there's nothing wrong in having some fun as long as it's nothing ridiculous or hurtful towards other players.

Whether you're a discipline driven hard nut or a slovenly guard the important thing is to respect your fellow players, keep in the spirit and concept of Cove and most of all to have fun.

[Linaeus]

As a rule, if you want to be "Off Duty" and go relax, take off your uniform before you do it. Not only is this good roleplay (Try relaxing in Platemail irl), it goes a long way towards showing respect for the uniform and what it stands for.

If you're wearing your uniform, behave like the soldier your character is.

If you want to take a break from soldiering, take your uniform off and put on some civilian clothes.

- Keres

[Celuvian]

As a rule, if you want to be "Off Duty" and go relax, take off your uniform before you do it. Not only is this good roleplay (Try relaxing in Platemail irl), it goes a long way towards showing respect for the uniform and what it stands for.

If you're wearing your uniform, behave like the soldier your character is.

If you want to take a break from soldiering, take your uniform off and put on some civilian clothes.

- Keres

Its a good way to show if youre on or off duty at the time. Every soldier goes off duty sometimes.

[Darek Milako]

I wouldn't say i chose to be a guard. I chose to be in a guild with great people like boc. With the possibility for pvp and the grenadiers is the only progression in the system, i wasn't aware that the grenadiers were modelled on your ideals.

When joining the Guard either way you should expect a military atmosphere. Grenadiers is not only just a progression, it's an elite squad that represents the Baron and Cove. Supposed to be the best of the best soldiers, so it's not really modelled after ideals but it's supposed to be the serious soldiers representing Cove and all, which is why it used to be way harder to get into. And why I would like to get the entree standards back up. If you see the Grenadiers a just progression it's supposed to be more than that and you're in for the wrong reason. IMO not saying quit the Grenadiers just correcting what they are to ya.

[Railen Morana]

The Army of Cove is that...an Army. If you are not a civillian, I think you should expect there will at times be harsh discipline. Heck, even the civies get it from the church. We know they will burn, whip, beat, torment and generally harass according to their own set of rules.

There will be civilian security positions opening up soon as well.  More choices are opening up now that there are more civvies joining. If your character is a buffoon, you have to expect to get treated with strict discipline if you act out of line. (Dont get me wrong, it can be very enjoyable at times, but it can also get old fast when you are trying to run a hunt Im sure. Like herding cats.)

I've ICily seen recruits and regulars blatantly ignoring orders of superiors...Discipline has been slowly waning over the past month or so. Even Railen who is NOT military knows better than to argue (much) with Raiden when given an order- (and ICily Railen really wanted a piece of Keres- or well...to add fiber to his diet.  Har! Ooc, its hilarious and good Rp, no worries Torrak!)

I for my part will get better at the Guild Chat.  Garak, thank you for tellin us to shut the heck up. I, for one, appreciate it. I'm tryin to break bad habits and be better at following the chat guidelines mentioned on this very site!

Ive got years with other guilds where Guild chatter is horrific, filled with folks complainin bout other folks, Politics getting out of hand cause people spout off about what they are frustrated with in the heat of the moment and things being blown way out or proportion- or things that are said being misquoted, out of context and used to wedge divides in guilds.

 I love that Cove isn't like that- and don't want to see it ever start to go that direction.

Cove has been very active with several plots going on behind the scenes. Events, Hunts, ongoing stories all make a very rich and fun atmosphere. We need to respect each other and keep it up.

[Demarian Tel'var]

If that's how it is. If Raven's personality isn't fitting of rank or position then he'll just have to be removed from the army.

Simple as.

I've known you for ages' but a point is' we;ve got our undisciplined folk that are irritating at times rank gets throw around and trust me I had it first hand with half of command back in the day"Half of them will tell you I was a Royal pain!:D"

Point is you may roleplay the character in a certain way but at times you need to step up that is all doesn't mean completely changing the personality into a robot' as that's just lame.

For instance not to attack people though you know who you are Why would a Baron's Grenadier be wearing a dead Bear's carcass on his head when he represents the Baron in his stead and there to lead by example, we arn't savages though sometimes I wonder *Eyes a certain Baolin the Barbarian!* Anyhow....
I love how Delf, Torrak and Raven roleplay that way, and Torrak does what he has to do when he need's to though at times we all slip up.
So all the attacking' on people about there roleplay is bad even if you don't like it, hell I originally went to GRD cause of Discipline issues with some recruits(Thank the lord they're no longer here), but where ever you go and whatever you do!
They'll be that style or player who want to act like that there simple punishment's and ETC to sort it all RP.

But I do think everyone should take a step back and "Chill the *** out!" excuse my french!

End of the day Jen said it's about fun, why else would be roleplay?

Think of being disciplined as learning a new skill or expanding in a new context of roleplay, up to you what you do!
Honest who wants to be demoted?

Right bedtime for me now Chill and think! See you Bronze Buddies at 7pm!

[Hoagie]

S'not have any personal attacks, yo.

[Kelly Sanderson]

Let's also clarify something for those that are confused:

This is on the OOC board for a few reasons, being the following:

*There is (evidently) a lack of understanding between a few players about the discipline of the Army within the Baronship. The boundaries of OOC and IC should be defined, but how can a character know something IC if the player doesn't get it OOC? We are, ultimately, the ones sat typing what our characters are saying.

*It wouldn't make sense to make a point about Guild Chat on the IC Boards.

*The disagreement and quarrelling was to be expected to an extent, but on the IC boards constructive criticism couldn't be handled in a sincere and proper way.

Demarian, I have extracted parts of your post as it is completely irrelevant and uncalled for.

-Rach/Kelly.

[Demarian Tel'var]

Can we just lock the thread its kinda depressing