(RTR) Army Discipline

[Garak Nightchill]

The Covian army is just that; an army.  It's not a rabble, it's a disciplined fighting force.  The two squads, the Grenadiers and the Scouts are meant to be the cream of the army. 

Instead, there's far too much clowning about.  There's relaxing off-duty, and there is taking it too far.  From now on, soldiers acting up can expect to be disciplined.  That can include demotion for repeated offenses. 

Guildchat.  Cease the babble.  And when asked to cease, please don't apologise in guildchat.  Abusing guildchat can and will involve repercussions for your character.  Repeated abuse can lead to guild dismissal.


Thank you.

[Radek Wilkes]

I think more clarity is needed with this.

What would be considered normal?
What would be taking it too far?

I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought this when reading the above.

[Raven]

If that's true, i'm handin in my badge.

[Celuvian]

There is such a thing as taking it too far with sloppiness and such, yes. But also taking it too far with discipline aswell surely?

[Garak Nightchill]

Ultimately, that's up to the senior ranks to decide.  Relaxing and blowing off steam in the tavern is one thing.  But when an officer or higher-ranking Guardsman issues orders then these should be obeyed or there will be IC consequences.  Juniors and above should realise they are setting an example to the Recruits and Watchmen.  If they see Juniors/Regulars/Seniors being insubordinate to officers then they'll be insubordinate.  

This isn't just in general RP.  Guards in the line-ups chatting away and ignoring the Guard/officer in charge.  There have been hunts where people just run off and ignore instructions.  

Nobody is trying to steal your fun.  But it's a militaristic setting.  Those above Watchman and those in the specialist squads such as the Grenadiers and Scouts should be aware that they are expected to set an example and live up to the high standards of the guild.

[Garak Nightchill]

If you feel victimised either IC or OOC then take it up with a higher rank.  Running away just makes it look even worse.  Frankly, the complaints I'm seeing are to do with too little discipline, with the supposed role models acting like out of control children. 

[Raven]

It's your method of delivery i disagree with. We don't all have to agree with your reasoning.

[airlesspenguin]

           I would have to agree with Raven. Personally I think there is a better way to go about it. I know I am not command and this is my personal opinion. Address the issue on the forum, let people know we all need to try to shape up the guild. A simple reminder that the guild rules are going to start to be enforced more would have been sufficient. (IMPO). I feel as if this is being forced down our throat before even being addressed. A lot of us had no idea anyone was having an issue with it.

          I was shocked and appalled at the discipline Keane received last night in the barracks. I'm not saying he didn't have it coming. But to what extreme do we allow our characters to get. Power emoting burns, potentially scaring burns, with out OOC discussion? The guild is now forced to go from one extreme to another. We just need to be all on the same page.

          In closing I understand that we need discipline. I am not saying this isn't good. It's how you go about it. We are practically a family with the amount of game time we spend with each other lets start acting like it. Communicate better. Thank you for your time.

[Jenifer Feather]

I am in a very difficult position of agreeing with everyone here.. Which sounds like iI am fence sitting but that is not the case.. I can just see both sides opinion.

Discipline:

I agree that, as a military setting, discipline is key.. When orders are stated they should be followed.. Failure to do so will lead to consequences. I myself am guilty of fooling around in certain situations.. Though when an order is given I follow and drop what I am doing...

Fun:

The guild is about fun. Yes the military setting is one we have CHOSEN and therefore must follow the rules that come with this. And of course, you can have fun instilling discipline and purposefully flirting with subordinance, and of course you must take the full wrath of consequences as long as they are justified and OKd by you..

We must remember to have fun and respect other peoples characters, regardless of rank.. Always think of the real person at the other end of the on screen avatar.

[Anna Jones]

Stumbling across this post which makes me wonder a few points, to begin with; as far as I am concerned which the Guild description will back me up on this is; we are "Roleplaying the townfolks of Cove". Let it be the army wing, religious wing or simply the civilian wing. The general focus of it is the Covian Army wing therefor general of the rules are made and enforced accordingly - or at least that's what I am understanding from the way it is being addressed to and emphasized by few people, that it is strictly military based. Which in my opinion brings down the confusion that : Is this a REAL military organization or is this a game that people roleplay being members of a military organization ?

Please don't take my words wrong in here, I am not against having any rules or enforcing them. If you don't have any rules which leaves with you no standards. Without any standards you just end up having medicore or worse environment. However you can not have rules that do not apply to certain people and expect the rest to follow it. If there is a rule then it applies to everyone, regardless of rank, who they are and their veteranship. Otherwise the rules will be questioned.  And the most important point is, as Jenifer stated above; this is a game; at the end of the day everyone is as equally important as the other one.

[Raven]

The fact this was posted on the OOC boards and not the IC boards means you are targetting players and not their characters and telling people how you want them to roleplay their characters.

Myself, Buttons and t'Keres have always played our characters this way and it's not for anyone to say how we do play them, and we gained through the ranks acting in this manner, by having ..fun. We also know when it's not the time for foolery in hunts, parades, line ups and other events. When we're idle and off-duty we are allowed to act how we want and not be threatened with demotion because we're not all hard-faced drilled soldiers 100% of the time.

If you want to play a character in game that's only interested in playing a hard-nut, who doesn't laugh, and is only interested in upholding this strict persona then you do that. If  you want to make a character that's rude and is always in the mind for creating conflicts and acts power hungry then it's likely other players won't go your way. 

If you try and throttle other peoples creativity, you'll create unhappy members who will most probably dull down their playing time. I play this game, to have fun and have a break from real-life.

[Garak Nightchill]

If this has caused offence, then I apologise.  This isn't singled at anyone in particular, this has been a persistant problem for some time now and is by no means an isolated event.  You can RP your characters as you wish.  But if the Army Command deem it unbecoming of a position or rank, then your characters can expect to hear about it. 

I put this on the OOC board (and Announcements) so there is no confusion over it (which didn't quite work out).  Senior characters have been trying to instil a sense of discipline in-game for months with limited success so I'm not sure an IC post would prove more successful. 

[Raven]

If that's how it is. If Raven's personality isn't fitting of rank or position then he'll just have to be removed from the army.

Simple as.

[Darek Milako]

It's not just about you Raven, it's about a bunch of people. And it's not that your character isn't liked. Yes I just met you what is trying to be said from my point of view is discipline needs to a key character for Military people. ESPECIALLY Grenadiers. Which there is none. Also why you noticed Darek and got a bad first impression. It's because of weeks of nobody listening and everybody acting like kids when you're supposed to be Guardsman. Darek is not 100% strict. You just seen him in a very stressed day. I love peoples characters, but some characters personalities do not fit their position in the guard. Not saying rank but squad even. Can be either way. Yes we are roleplaying people and it is a game, understood, there is plenty of time to play around but alot of people do it too much and when told to chill they don't. You CHOSE to play a military guard. Roleplaying is supposed to be as real as possible. At least that is what I thought.

[airlesspenguin]

I think the best way to end this debate is the character's trying to keep an eye on their characters IC actions and command agreeing to not nit pick away at our characters personality's. There needs to be a little give and take. I just feel we are attacking the characters individuality to a degree. This is such a gray area...