Mages:

[Raven]

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This isn't a flame, or a rant, or a reason to have a flame or a rant on this thread but, after two weeks of fighting Vesper, I have logged early in the battle - why?

It's not because I had prior engagements or because the phone rang, but because it quickly becomes boring and anti-fun to get mana dumped straight away by a flotilla of mages.

I don't mind loosing battles, I'm not a sore loser,  but there is a difference, and it has nothing to do with how 'well they train' or anything like that, but if you have a large amount of pvp hungry mages, you can only expect the same result.

When a game, which is meant to be fun doesn't - my policy is to turn it off.

What happened to the maximum mage count in a battle? I remember that rule having a purpose.


Raven

[Kado Gael]

I stand with ya, back in CoY mages were banned.. totally!

[Aliryl]

No they weren't Kado.  Grd have mages, the church.  KTD had mages, the monks, three of which completely desecrated Grd one time.  UD and Orc both had mages. The numbers were just kept in tact.

Please use correct facts when trying to make a point.

[Raven]

Calm down, they were kept in moderation, and very much in moderation. I dont want this thread locked, i just wanted to hear peoples opinions

[Khaelieth]

Mages were very restricted in CoY, which was why i loved it. A bit hypocritical, seen as Khae's a mage, but he was my first mage. Low numbers of mages really helped with the low fantasy setting which CoY was great for. Only Grd still has the same sort of low fantasy setting, with the rest of the guilds mainly being high fantasy.

Would i mind Khae permadeathed for being a mage? Not really.

[Kado Gael]

No they weren't Kado.  Grd have mages, the church.  KTD had mages, the monks, three of which completely desecrated Grd one time.  UD and Orc both had mages. The numbers were just kept in tact.

Please use correct facts when trying to make a point.

Numbers kept in tact, so much in tact.. it was as if no mages were around.

[Celuvian]

Well Cove also gots pretty decent number of mages atm, would it be fair to them to have to kill off those chars?
I can understand your frustration, and I think it wouldnt be so bad to maybe restrict it a bit....dunno really...but what usually kills off peoples desire to do rp (and the pvp within it) is too many rules. Its what happened back in the days of ERPA. I enjoy the rp and the rppvp to an equal degree, I dont mind being ganked be it by mages or warriors, its bound to happen sometimes (not everytime tho)

Well hope that came out correct..

[Khaelieth]

Actually, there is a way to somewhat counter the mage's para explo flamestrike combo. Pots. Lots of them. And exploding boxes, if they still work

[Raven]

Yeah I get you.

Ganking is never fun for me, on either side.


Pots? So you have to lower y'self to pots? and if you hold a bow?! bah. what about two or mages bombarding you?

[Celuvian]

Well its never really fun being on the reciever end of a gank, be it by mages or archer etc, but it is part of what happens. I just have to deal with it, sure it has gotten a bit out of hand with the mage ganks last weeks. But im sure the tables will turn. I love a fair fight in any case, but I dont expect to end up in one in a full on battle:)

Yea you can easily counter the para,explo,fs gank by mages. Trapped wooden box and apples. Anyone interrested in knowing more im there.
Now dont go assuming im a pvp whore, I love it yea but its not like that...

Apples have been recently changed to not remove paralyze.

"You can not use that potion while paralyzed" -is the msg you get when you try to. Sry I had forgotten about it:)

[Khaelieth]

Yeah I get you.

Ganking is never fun for me, on either side.


Pots? So you have to lower y'self to pots? and if you hold a bow?! bah. what about two or mages bombarding you?

Oh, i've gotten away from three before. Kas, Esca and some other -V-. What you need to do is disarm, or switch to a one handed weapon. in case of para, you just use a trapped box and make a run before they can start to smash you. Chug a greater heal, time your heal, and there's no way they can get you. As Keres experienced, archers with quiver of blight are rather dangerous (50% cold, 50% poison) too. But i've rarely seen a mêléer win against an archer or a mage, due to their ability to run about. That magery and archery is vastly overpowered compared to everything else is fairly obvious, much like chivalry once that was implemented.

And you don't lower yourself to pots;p

[Raiden Morana]

It is understandable, especially straight after a battle to feel a little miffed at the result and indeed the manner in which it was reached.

Unfortunately our forces were a little imbalanced tonight, just having 1 mage and a few archers but plenty of melee fighters. If we'd have had the 5 or 6 mages we have active and a couple more archers we would probably have had a more evenly contested outcome.

It's just the way it goes some times, yeah we dont have to like it. I'm as bad a loser as anyone, but we have to learn from it IC and OOC and be better the next time. Torrak and I will both be holding regular trainings covering tactics and combat skills. You too are more than welcome to hold trainings sessions and pass on your knowledge and expertise. Just because we are officers doesn't mean we know -everything-.

If we work hard as a team in training it will pay off in battles. You get out what you put in. We can't expect to just stroll along and win, it takes time and practice like anything else,  so we must try and learn from battles whether won, lost or drawn and try to attend as many trainings as we can and schedule your own if you feel you have something to offer.

Skirmishes like these are where we cut our teeth for the conflicts to come.

~ Raiden.

[Raven]

Yeah, training can help to a degree, but Sparrow and Raven died in <1 second from first strike. I dont like dedicating my time to something like that.

[Linaeus]

What we need is for our mages to actually come to the battles, and to come to the trainings. I'll start bringing Abigail to trainings instead of Torrak if I have to to even things out. This goes for everyone;

It doesnt help us One Bit if we get 20 people at a battle, if only 10 of those come to trainings. I'd take 5 people who work well together over 20 people who've never fought as a group.

Another thing that doesnt help is complaining or losing your temper when we hit a setback. Next time we lose, chill out and think about what adjustments to your strategy you can make for the next round, and pay attention for further orders.

Therefore;
- Work with us, we arent the greatest tacticians on the planet (but we try).
- Keep your temper in check, we cant expect to win every battle, nor can we expect every fight to be a fair one. S'the world.
- If you dont have anything constructive to say after a defeat, dont say anything.
- Come to trainings, please. They really do help.

Just sayin'.

~ Keres

[Celuvian]

Come to trainings, please. They really do help.

Yes! I Concur.