UOKR Picture and general discussion

[Kas Valentine]

I'm sticking to my guns and saying "you're insane", sorry chaps !

By all means make a proper sequel to UO and I might like that but KR can fall down the stairs and break it's ugly face for all I care.

[Kas Valentine]

Sorry to reply to myself here but I decided after posting the previous message that I should really patch KR up instead of just assuming it was still rubbish. Well I logged in after the patches (and christ were they big) and noticed a lot of cleaning up to the menus so that you can actually see what you're doing and what not. They also cleaned up a lot of the UI issues I'd been having before like windows not staying where you put them and user options not remembering the changes you make.

So far however these were the only things that cheered me up. I walked around my house after changing characters and it still looks absolutely dreadful. The items that I adore the look of in 2D just look oversized and ugly. Of course items don't make the game but that doesn't mean they should just look like crap.

I decided to recall to Cove to do an escort as a test of how things are working out with actual actions. I found the whole encounter to be really clumsy when compared to doing the same thing in 2D. I had to look through all my runebooks to find the right one (backpack constantly rearranged by KR), click the location I wanted and then click recall using spell. All the things I can do so quickly in 2D have just been made more faffy and in general I just don't see why we need a WoW style UI (from my perspective it certainly doesn't make things easier).

I got my noble to his destination at Britain bank but the place just looked as terrible as it did when I first ventured into the KR client. I noticed the hiryu graphic was a little better, actually quite a nice graphic, pity everything surrounding it was vomit !

But hey don't bite my head off please, this is just my opinion, I gave KR a chance after giving it a ribbing and it just let me down again. I'll keep giving it chances when they implement more patches and I'd love to think it will get to a point where I can say....

"Wow, I love KR, I'm happy playing this and leaving 2D behind"

....but at the moment that just isn't remotely likely.

[Marcus Kobra]

Again I reiterate: Convert or Die.   2D will be nixed, its a matter of time before you turn to the dark side of KR or simply move on and leave the BOC as it only exists in UO behind... and that's  gonna be a sad day when some of us have to walk away because we arn't willing to pay the cash for a game that no longer appeals. Hell people the game already doesn't appeal to most if us, at least not in its mechanics. Thats why we RP!! KR will not affect RP so I say we all just choke back our vomit and carry on.  I'll see you all in game when I see you... just gotta get my new desktop up and running.  and that will be about 5 months from now -_-

[Kas Valentine]

S'right, I do roleplay because I prefer not to engage myself in modern UO, but for the game to look terrible as well as have terrible content is too much to contemplate. I'm not sure what people will do if KR actually does become the only client but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I respect where yer coming from Marcus but for them to close 2D as things stand now would just be crackers.

The only thing that does annoy be about the whole business is the sheer volume of people that are claiming they either can't see a problem with KR or they're embracing it as the future of UO (regardless of whether it's good or bad). This is precisely why UO is in the state it is now, people just let the changes come in on the basis that "they'll probably get better" or "they'll get fixed later" and they never do.

It's as though half the people on UHall are wearing blinkers are something. I'd say they're blind but then at least then there would be a reason for all the poor content. This isn't aimed at you Marcus or anyone else in this thread I've just always had a problem with how things proceed in UO.

Whether you voice a negative opinion or a positive one everything just carries on regardless and you have absolutely no way to prevent it (either as an individual or as a group). Aiiiieeee, to feel powerless sucks, especially when it's something you love so much.

[Zoie Hayden]

I completely agree with you Kas. And I think there are a lot of others who hate KR too; enough to quit UO as soon as they nix the 2D client. I'm hoping it's enough people to make EA think twice about getting rid of it.

I wouldn't mind KR and would actually like it if it wasn't so hideously ugly and done half-arsed. Maybe in a year or so it'll be good, but right now, it's a mess. And anyone who claims to like it must be blinkered.

[Jack Sinist (•̪●)]

I doubt they would care, like they cared when they placed trammel; they lost many but gained more due to it becoming fluffy friendly. And I'm pretty sure their aim is to gain more people to play UO, and I think they will compared to what they will lose.

[Marcus Kobra]

UO peeked at nearly 400 thousand subscriptions across what i think is 26 shards I may be wrong on the number of shards. UO current subscription doesnt make better than 150K you would think theyd be totally GUNG-ho on making everything perfect and have just one release and voila!! This is a Beta So......

Any REALLY OLD FOGES from back when UO:BETA came out?? you know the origionally felly only hey look its LB talking to people and the one guy who flame striked him ?? funny story but anyway anyone that old? had a beta then and can compare the two from recolection??

[Khaelieth]

Kazuo's from back then, I think.

[Marcus Kobra]

Then subpoena him!! he has a date for an article 13!!

[Kas Valentine]

Aye that's the annoying thing really Jack, whether we like KR or not the company in charge (EA Mythic now right?) just goes ahead with it anyway. The only exceptions we've had to this rule were UO2 and UXO which were proper sequels but got dropped before they were released. Having said that UO2 was the only one that looked promising, UXO just looked like a WoW clone, but I still think a proper sequel is the way to go.

I wish I could say I've been around since the original beta but I've only been here since August '99. The tales from the beginning of UO are really inspiring, if only I'd discovered the game earlier I know I would have had a much richer experience. However if you look at the selection of screenshots here you can see how similar the graphics in the beta were to the 2D client that went live (more or less the same client as we have now).

This is the worrying thing, if 2D didn't change a whole lot from beta to live, why will KR?

[Arma Renox]

Actually, I remember seeing screenshots from the ORIGINAL original start of the Beta, where all the gumps looked rubbish, sprites and avatars looked chunky and crap, so they probably updated the original UO Beta as they went along, much as they're doing now.

There's plenty of opportunity for them to improve. I've made my own recommendations and feedback, so as long as its constructive, its the best way to do it.

[Kas Valentine]

Ah well if you go to the index of that forum you can see the original promotion screenshots as well as a collection from the alpha of UO. But I agree if they receive and act on enough constructive criticism the new client could end up being worthwhile. As I said a few messages up I would love to be a massive KR fanboy but what with the state of the client at the moment and EA's history with customer feedback I just can't see that coming true.

[Ileana Leontine]

The tales from the beginning of UO are really inspiring, if only I'd discovered the game earlier I know I would have had a much richer experience.

Don't forget the rose-tinted glasses effect. I know that while having PVPs running around all over did create a sense of danger, it was definately very, very irritating as much of the time.

[Kas Valentine]

Oh certainly, Felucca was still the only facet in 1999 and I frequently got my face skinned off while out hunting in Britain forests. But you got to a point when you knew what the horse galloping noise or the daemon name appearing at the bottom of the screen meant and bust out your recall macro lickety split (pop pouches for paralyse, yay).

I genuinely adored those times !

However this was mostly because I liked writing about my adventures (so the more drama the better) or stealing on my thief. S'funny, KR is so far away from back then and part of my absolute devotion to 2D is doubtless a throwback to "the good old days" but nevertheless I still think we deserve better.

[Khaelieth]

Oh certainly, Felucca was still the only facet in 1999 and I frequently got my face skinned off while out hunting in Britain forests. But you got to a point when you knew what the horse galloping noise or the daemon name appearing at the bottom of the screen meant and bust out your recall macro lickety split (pop pouches for paralyse, yay).

I genuinely adored those times !

However this was mostly because I liked writing about my adventures (so the more drama the better) or stealing on my thief. S'funny, KR is so far away from back then and part of my absolute devotion to 2D is doubtless a throwback to "the good old days" but nevertheless I still think we deserve better.

Or as a friend of mine did, he started playing, got to some bridge in Britain, saw some red names, lost con, checked the manual to find out why their names were red and realised his predicament ^^